This will be a short thread debunking some of the strange downgrades made to Void Shiki on VS wiki. These changes were proposed by a user who has repeatedly demonstrated a lack of understanding of Kara no Kyoukai, consistently misinterpreting core concepts and plot points to a questionable degree. Despite these glaring errors, the edits were left in place due to the community's decision to ignore the user, a decision the mods mistakenly took as a form of silent "agreement." In truth, no one wanted to waste time debating with someone who disregards the most basic facts.

The main reason for this thread is that these changes reflect a mindset shared by a few on Reddit, so it's worthwhile to address why this perspective is not only irrational but ultimately self-defeating. It won't take much, as these are the same generic Void downplay arguments we've seen for over a decade.

Claimed to be capable ofaltering reality on a fundamental level, altering its laws and orders, as well as annihilate it with ease, though this stems from an unreliable statement.

The most common argument against Void is that her powers are "unreliable statements." This reasoning is fundamentally flawed. Void is an emanation of the One, acting as its direct avatar and sharing its non-dual perspective. She's Type-Moon's interpretation of the Nous in classical philosophy, embodying all abstract forms and encompassing every possible concept. This explains why she stated that she knows reality down to "its last atoms": her knowledge includes every possible form, concept, and reality within Type-Moon's creation. She even describes herself as an "intellectual nullity" aligned with " ", or the One. In Type-Moon, " " represents the omnipotent singularity that contains all possibilities in unity, a reality so expansive that any specific term is a reduction of what it truly is:

If you really wished to pronounce this term, call it "Kara."Its meaning varied depending on each individual's understanding. To put it in simple terms, it was the Spiral of Origin.However, since the Spiral of Origin was called the Spiral of Origin, it was no longer " ".To properly express this term was a source of headache during the production of the drama CDs. -Garden of sinners Pamphlet: Kara no Kyoukai Settings Glossary

This is highlighted when Ryougi killed the infinite dimension created by Araya Souren:

Infinity is not " ". In order to render infinity, one must define limits. Without limits, infinity does not exist. Infinity can be observed because objects possess limits. Ryougi Shiki was immersed in infinity, but found the non-existent limit and severed it. Of course, limits do not exist within infinity, thus one cannot sever something that does not exist. As a result, escaping from this prison is impossible. However -- - without limits, infinity does not exist. Regardless if a finite wall existed, an limitless world is meaningless before Ryougi Shiki. If there is no limit, then it is not infinity, but " ". If limits exist, then Ryougi would find it and cut away everything..... What is supposed to be an absolute black hole, to an opponent such as Ryougi Shiki is merely a confined dark cell. The magus felt ashamed of himself. - Kara no Kyoukai Chapter 5

What this is saying in simple terms is that if something is infinite, it cannot truly be considered "nothing," as it possesses an identity. Every idea or concept has inherent qualities that define it, making it distinct. Thus, even infinite concepts are constrained by their identities. In contrast, The One represents a state of pure nothingness that contains all things in unity, transcending dualities and definitions. This unity exists beyond the constraints of identifiable forms.

This is similar to the example of a triangle: although there are infinite variations of triangles, each is ultimately defined by the structural necessity of three points. Through MEoDP, Shiki perceives the "idea" of these points conceptually, enabling her to see them as a line she can sever, "killing" the infinite space by targeting its conceptual structure. In this way, she turns what should be an impossible, infinite void into something finite and conquerable.

The reason for Void's detachment and boredom stems precisely from her omniscience and her understanding of the nature of existence. As an avatar of The One, Void perceives all of reality as interconnected and unified, with no distinctions between concepts or forms. Her knowledge encompasses all possibilities and abstract concepts, yet this all-encompassing knowledge leaves her detached from human experiences. This perspective leads to a form of existential boredom, as there is no challenge, no unknown, and no real change in her existence. She views everything through a lens of unity and finality, where all things are understood and ultimately meaningless in their individuality:

-- The simple truth is that I was born dead. Perhaps brain-dead would be more accurate. Normally a newborn will have an infant's body, and this body in turn will be quickened by the first stirring of what's to become its intellect. I did not have that; I was born with nothing whatsoever. By rights I should have died immediately. That which is near to " " simply must not be born bodily into the world. You heard this from Touko, didn't you? The world itself wards off anything that might disrupt it. Ordinarily, indeed, I should not have been born at all.

-- Ordinarily a creature whose being is poured out straight from " " simply dies in its mother's womb. That was my case. But the Ryougi clan possessed a technique for keeping such a thing alive.

-- So I was born, alive, but without so much as a stirring of intellect. " " is utter nullity, and thus an intellectual nullity as well. I should simply have "lived" with no cognition of the outside world.

-- But not only did they keep me alive, they woke me up. They did not implant some readymade personality into me. They awakened the " " which is my origin. The outside world was thrust upon me.

I - the void and vacant "I" - was forced to look at it. I found it an eyesore. I found it altogether too troublesome. So I in turn thrust it upon those two.

-- It was only natural. The outside world, if you could call it that, was the most wearisome thing imaginable. Because it was, all of it, down to the last of its innumerable atoms, "already known" to me.

-- But you do have a will. She seemed to him then such a tragic figure that he had to say it. Again she nodded.

-- I do, after a fashion. A personality of the flesh as such arises in every human, but ordinarily it does not come to any kind of self-awareness. Usually, before that can happen, the intellect stirs to life. From out of the body, more precisely the brain, the intellect is produced.

-- The intellect borne out of the brain's activity becomes a personality and gains executive function over the fleshly body. At that point any personality which dwelt in the flesh becomes meaningless.

-- It's because of this that the intellect tends to treat the brain which gave birth to it as if it were something specially set apart from the rest of the fleshly body, even though it is just one part of the whole.

-- Software is useless without hardware, but hardware can't function without software. The personality borne of the intellect forgets this truth: it forgets that it is the body's product, and it imagines that it is the creator of this fleshly, embodied "I" which it finds itself to be. That is the ordinary case. I am different only in that the order in which these things happened was different for me.

-- Even so, the fact that I'm here, now, talking to you is entirely due to the personality of Shiki. If she wasn't here, I wouldn't even have language. I am, after all, nothing but flesh.

-- I think I get it, he said. Your ability to "know" or "perceive" the outside world is dependent on Shiki's personality.

-- Correct. I am simply an unpowered piece of hardware. Without the requisite software I am just an inert box.

-- I am a hollow container which only gazes inward, which communes solely with death - in other words with what Magi call the "Root", though I see no value in it whatsoever.

-- Mind you, right now I think there might be a little value to it after all. I could heal a wound like this, for instance. I could come to your aid. Disturb the universe a little. But you don't wish for any of that, do you?

-- No, he answered. Shiki's specialty is breaking things. It would be asking too much. I'd be afraid for myself. How serious, that reply? He gave a light smile. Like a butterfly scattered in the afternoon light, her gaze left him in a moment. She lowered her hand, softly as the snowfall.

-- Quite right. Shiki can only destroy. And to you, after all, I suppose I am she.

-- Shiki?

A long pause.

-- My origin is nihil. From nihil I originated, the flesh that I am, the corpse in the womb to which life was somehow given. That is why Shiki can perceive death. For two years, in her comatose state, she was unable to view the outside world, and could do nothing but gaze into the nihil that Ryougi Shiki "is." More than simply seeing, she felt death.

-- All that time she was floating there in that ocean which others call the "swirl of the Root." Shipwrecked all alone in the midst of " ".Yes, indeed. If nihil is her origin, then most likely she wills to bring all things to nought. Shiki is able to kill anything without exception, for that reason alone. The personality, Shiki, strives to negate. Why? Because that is the original pattern of her soul. The inclination to nihil, which ardently wishes the death of all creation.

-- That is Shiki's capability. Much like Asagami Fujino, she perceives a unique channel in which things unseen by others become visible. When she "looks" at them, she is seeing a glimpse of the architect's floor-plan for all reality. That is the "swirl of the Root."

-- But I can see much further than that. No, rather - I may well be that "swirl" myself.

She was looking him right in the eye, but her tone of voice was insecure, uncertain. As if to let slip, between moments, an utterly incommunicable loneliness.

-- The swirl of the Root is a "place" where all causalities interlace, where all things are in potential, and therefore where nothing is whatsoever. That is my true shape. Though I am merely bound to it, I am nonetheless a part of it. And the part and the whole of a nothingness are the same, wouldn't you say?

-- So I can do - whatever. Recompose the the laws of nature, revert living beings to their evolutionary forebears. To overturn the system of the world, there's simply nothing to it. It's not a remaking. I simply crush the old one with the new world in its place.

She was faintly smiling as she said that. There was a wry twist to her mouth, as if she was mocking how ridiculous she sounded.

-- But it's all so pointless, isn't it? Such a tiresome thing. Such nonsense, you might as well dream it up. As indeed I do. Without seeing, without thinking, without even dreaming

- I dream. - Kara no Kyoukai Epilogue

This detachment is not because Void's powers are unreliable, but because she exists in a state where everything is known and nothing surprises her. Her ability to alter reality comes from her alignment with The One, the singularity that transcends all distinctions and definitions. As she stated herself, she can alter natural laws or destroy the current creation and replace it with a new one that works entirely different. However, there is no point to that, as each of those changes would feel fundamentally meaningless, because creation in the first place is just a dream, a reflection of what Void already encompasses. We are talking about someone who sees all of existence as just a thought in her mind, with even a small fraction of her power granting Self-Hypnosis Ryougi the ability to see distance as zero and time as always now.

People who contest Void's abilities with "She hasn't shown these powers" are simply applying a flawed double standard. These same individuals accept characters like Zelretch, the Types, or Arcueid as powerful figures, even though their abilities are often based on similar statements. If we know what a character is capable of through statements, there's no reason to doubt those capabilities, unless they're specifically contradicted by concrete evidence. This is a classic case of confusing absence of evidence with evidence of absence. The fact that Void (and many other powerful characters that these people would instead happily wank) hasn't shown off their full powers in a direct, overt way doesn't mean those powers don't exist. It simply means that there is no clear contradiction to the statements made about their abilities.

Moreover, most of Type-Moon's older stories are told primarily through text, whether in visual novels, light novels, or even the narratives in the Melty Blood fighting games. This means that almost every "feat" is described through narrative or character statements. Even in manga, where feats are depicted visually, the meaning and importance of those feats are often ascribed to them by the context and narrative. Many of the feats we accept as impressive are largely reinforced by statements, not visual depictions. When dealing with universe-level powers and beyond, visual representation becomes even less reliable. We can't depict a universe, a multiverse, or infinite and abstract concepts visually, and thus, we necessarily rely on statements to understand how they function. If you require a visual showing to believe something is true in Type-Moon, you might as well stop debating the entire franchise.

In Void's case, the narrative fully supports her as a near-omnipotent entity. Araya Souren, for instance, wanted to use her body to access Akasha and erase everything, turning all things to Nothingness. Her existence as an artificial avatar of the One created by the Ryougi family further cements her cosmic significance. MEoDP, one of the many powers at her disposal, allows her to "kill" the very abstract concepts that sustain the physical world. Unified Language, which is of the same rank as normal Ryougi Shiki's connection to the Root, allows God's Word to communicate with and even alter the abstract forces that govern existence. Ryougi herself, through her Self-Hypnosis, accesses Void's transcendent perspective, allowing her to unify her intent with reality, ensuring that her strikes will always hit. Even Aoko, using the Fifth Magic (Which she accessed through a state resembling Stillness and aligned with the perspective of the One) defeated the sentient will of the cosmos and imposed her own order on the natural laws.

From a narrative standpoint, Void is the very foundation from which Shiki (Yin) and SHIKI (Yang) emerged. Shiki represents the Yin aspect, which is conceptually tied to the unifying force that connects all things, explaining both her powers (MEoDP, which eliminates the boundaries preventing individual entities or ideas from becoming part of the One) and her character tendencies. Shiki perceives everything as part of a unified whole, leading to her detachment from the world. This detachment and her eventual connection to Mikiya are a reflection of her development, where she finds meaning in a world she generally rejects. On the other hand, SHIKI, representing the Yang, is the creative and chaotic force emanating from the One. This aspect is regulated by Shiki to prevent it from spiraling out of control, as seen in her tendency to suppress her violent impulses. Ultimately, true harmony comes when the boundaries, embodied by Mikiya on a human level and Araya on a cosmic level, are integrated. SHIKI sacrifices himself to ensure Shiki's stability through Mikiya, reminding her of the possibility for change while grounding her in the stability she needs to thrive.

This philosophical dynamic mirrors the greater narrative of Kara no Kyoukai, the "Boundary of Emptiness", where the One creates the framework for existence to unfold by interacting with Stillness, which enforces identity and boundaries on the infinite possibilities, allowing them to manifest in a tangible way. The title itself encapsulates this tension between the unity of the One and the boundaries that give form and meaning to the world.

The only thing holding Void back is the fact that she is still an avatar of the One, rather than the One itself. She shares its non-dual perspective and transcendence, but she still interacts with the world and the forms, whereas the One remains ineffable. So she is still able to be "contained" within Ryougi's body and suppressed by her mind's personality's willpower.

So, now that we have seen that dismissing Void's abilities has no actual solid grounding, let's move on to the more specific examples in the downgrades.

Implied that 30% Arcueid Brunestud's casual manifestation of the Millennium Castle is beyond her capabilities, to the point of Arcueidseeming limitless in comparison.

This scene is from All Around Type-Moon, which is a parody, no different from Carnival Phantasm. I sincerely don't know why all these people have started using it as gospel, especially when it's set in a completely non-canon scenario where characters like Saber, Shiki, and Arcueid all randomly interact without context or continuity with the main narratives.

The main justification I've encountered for using this scene is "metafiction," but that isn't a quantifiable or concrete metric, nor does it override the fact that the statements in this context are made purely for comedic effect. They don't align with the established lore, and it's clear that these interactions are meant as light-hearted fan service rather than serious power scaling. If we were to treat metafictional awareness as literal, then by that logic, all of Type-Moon's characters would be sub-reality level because they're all implicitly aware they're in a fictional work.

In fact, in serious stories, normal Ryougi Shiki in base form killed Archetype Earth:

Even setting the guidebook aside, the game itself shows Ryougi confidently claiming she can kill Archetype, with AE herself acknowledging that Ryougi has come to bring death to that which "cannot die", namely, herself. Although AE's essence is intrinsically linked to life and cannot truly "die," her physical form can still be destroyed. This would effectively "kill" her by reducing her to a disembodied consciousness within Stillness, unable to interact with the world (Basically exactly what Shiki did to Araya, whose essence is also unable to be killed).

Furthermore, Ryougi was specifically sent by Void to kill AE, and Void possesses absolute knowledge, perceiving all creation as merely a dream. If Void deemed it necessary to send Ryougi, it indicates that she is indeed capable of defeating AE, a fact that the guidebook corroborates.

So the non-canon parody crossover event is already rendered invalid by Base Ryougi being superior to Archetype Earth, let alone 30% Arcueid. Even within KnK itself, Ryougi has a stronger Origin awakening than Nanaya Shiki, which granted him "transcendental" killing skills surpassing even True Ancestors, including Arcueid.

Fujino Asagamihas thehighest capabilities out of all characters in Kara no Kyoukai, which would include Void Shiki, with this corroborated with Fujino's ability being called the "ultimate killing ability."

lol. The statement is:

Compared to Shiki who lacks a sense of existence, Fujino is someone who is similar yet different.

Pure statistics-wise, Fujino has the greatest ability in this tale. - Garden of sinners Pamphlet: Kara no Kyoukai Settings Glossary

"Pure STATISTICS-wise" which refers to physical terms. It refers to her distortion being capable of bending all physical substances regardless of their size and density, but it does not speak for abilities like MEoDP, which operates on concepts, allowing them to trancend statistics entirely. Abstract concepts and laws determine physical properties like statistics to begin with, and MEoDP targets these underlying principles. For instance, Ryougi was able to use MEoDP to kill an infinite world, infinity is the highest possible "value" or cap in terms of physicality. This is because, again, her power, as well as those of many other characters in KnK, operate on abstract concepts:

Ryougi Shiki, who could see death, was an extraordinary existence. But merely killing people was a common ability. Modern weapons created by civilization were far more lethal.

The eason Ryougi Shiki was unique among even the mages wasn't because of her ability to kill living things -- it was because she could kill things that shouldn't be killable, even intangible concepts.

"That which leads to death" -- that was her power.

An enclosed, infinite space with no exit was impenetrable to conventional means. Since it had no form, physical weapons could not touch it. But Ryougi Shiki's power was meant to target such intangible things.

But, Araya Souren, because you're a mage, you treated magic as absolute. Closing off a space doesn't matter. Something that abstract -- she'd break through it with ease!" - Kara no Kyoukai Chapter 5

Even though this space is physically boundless, its "infinity" is an extension of finite principles; infinity itself begins with the concept of a starting point and progresses (from 1, to 2, and so on). Shiki's Mystic Eyes of Death Perception allow her to perceive this conceptual "starting point", the threads that connect this bounded space to the One, enabling it to exist within reality. In the case of the infinite space, Shiki sees its structure and boundaries as conceptual anchors that set it apart from the absolute simplicity of the One, which holds no external definitions. The looping mechanism and structure in the space therefore present a finite "idea" within the infinite. Even if the starting point does not exist in a physical sense, she can envision the conceptual essence of that initial point, which gives rise to the ideas of succession and expansion. By focusing on this conceptual "starting" point, Ryougi can effectively kill the identity and structure of the space, disrupting the infinite chain of parts that relies on that initial foundation.

This is important, as abstract boundaries/laws that govern reality are non-local. They do not exist in a certain location. She had to destroy these laws that don't exist anywhere in physical space, meaning her eyes were starting to begin their evolution to a more abstract function, though with great strain, as she was just starting to reach that level to get out of Araya's reality by destroying the laws that uphold it:

She's basically making a physical representation of the abstract she can reach out to to enact the death of said abstracts. This mean she can just kill something from a distance by manifesting a line representing its death.

So, should Ryougi face Asagami again? Would be very bad news for the latter, despite her clairvoyance.

Shiki's evolved eyes allows her to dismantle the conceptual foundations of Asagami's abilities, making her an effective counter against those powers. Asagami's ability to see from above, facilitated by her clairvoyance, operates on the concept of "seeing," which inherently includes a point of view. Shiki could perceive this point of view as a conceptual "starting point" or "catalyst" for the clairvoyance ability. By cutting this conceptual point, Shiki could effectively nullify Asagami's ability to see.

For Asagami's ability to twist space, it indeed requires a target to focus on or exert her powers upon. This targeting mechanism can be understood as another "starting point" that allows her to manipulate space. Shiki could identify this mechanism and sever it, effectively neutralizing Asagami's ability to bend or manipulate space. The abilities that Asagami possesses, like clairvoyance and spatial distortion, have defined identities and functions because they are rooted in specific concepts. These concepts create "points" or "boundaries" that give structure and meaning to the abilities. If these abilities lacked such conceptual definitions, they would effectively be indistinct and thus "nothing."

And even back when they fought, Ryougi wasn't going all-out, but simply enjoying the fight and wasn't fully intent on killing Asagami:

Fujino says so aloud, unable to contain the fear in that question. She cannot forget that moment. Those eyes of Shiki, who still came at her after having her arm broken. Shiki was having fun. That person is enjoying this situation where even I, the one with the advantage, am overwhelmed with tension. Maybe... for Ryougi Shiki, having her arm broken is not pain, but happiness. Fujino has not enjoyed murder so far. She does not want to kill. But that person is different. That person must like murder. The more extreme the situation is, the happier she becomes. Fujino thinks... if Ryougi Shiki is a person that lacks any sense of feeling towards life itself, what will she do to substitute for that? For Fujino, it was murder. When she sees other humans die, she gets this indescribable feeling... Since Fujino found out what pain feels like, she is able to sympathize with others in pain. The reality that she is the one in control of others makes her feel that she really does exist. A "ruthless murder" is Fujino's substitute. She does not know it herself, but Fujino takes pleasure in murder. Then what is Ryougi Shiki's substitute......?

"She returned to pain insensitivity at the very end. That's cheating. Asagami Fujino in that state can't be my target. I couldn't do anything else so I just killed the disease in her stomach. She might make it if you hurry." - Kara no Kyoukai Chapter 3

The passages highlight that Shiki perceives Fujino as a "strong enemy," but she's not necessarily driven to kill her with the same intensity she would for an extreme, inhuman threat. Shiki even reflects that Fujino is "on the verge of breaking down," and this awareness impacts how seriously she treats her as an opponent. Shiki's decision to spare Fujino after recognizing her instability shows restraint, and it suggests that she's consciously choosing not to escalate to her maximum potential. If she considered Fujino a fully realized threat, she likely would have gone all out. Fujino notices Shiki's enjoyment in the fight, observing that Shiki is "having fun" and even "enjoying this situation" despite the pain of her broken arm. This mindset of savoring the fight rather than seeing it as a do-or-die situation implies that Shiki isn't pushing herself to her limits. Her excitement comes not from seeing Asagami as an existential threat, but rather from the thrill of engaging with an opponent who poses a challenge. Shiki's enjoyment, combined with her choice to "just kill the disease" instead of going for Asagami's life, suggests that Shiki maintains a degree of control and holds back from her full power.

Unlike her fights with Araya and God's Word, where she confronts entities with inhuman powers and an absolute intent to destroy, Shiki sees Fujino more as a broken individual than a pure threat. Against figures like Araya or God's Word, she's forced to bring out her full skill set and killer intent, but here, Shiki maintains control and avoids crossing boundaries that she would otherwise dismantle in a true life-or-death scenario.

And even in that state of mind, Ryougi was still significantly above Asagami, as she could dodge her distortions by escaping from her sight, and then casually overwhelm her while missing an arm after she could use MEoDP on her distortions. Asagami is not doing anything to Base Ryougi at her best and after her MEoDP evolved to see all forms of death, including the abstract, nevermind Self-Hypnosis Ryougi, let alone Void.

As for Distortion being the "best killing ability", that's just either a hyperbole contradicted by every info in the story, or it's in reference to Shiki's less evolved MEoDP at the time of Chapter 3, which struggled to see immaterial things and required physical contact still. Void in fact confirmed that MEoDP at its highest level can look at the floor-plan of reality and kill all things without exceptions:

If nihil is her origin, then most likely she wills to bring all things to nought. Shiki is able to kill anything without exception, for that reason alone. The personality, Shiki, strives to negate. Why? Because that is the original pattern of her soul. The inclination to nihil, which ardently wishes the death of all creation.

-- That is Shiki's capability. Much like Asagami Fujino, she perceives a unique channel in which things unseen by others become visible. When she "looks" at them, she is seeing a glimpse of the architect's floor-plan for all reality. That is the "swirl of the Root." - Kara no Kyoukai Epilogue

While again, Distortion is limited to physical things that can be "bent". It cannot interact with immaterial and formless concepts like MEoDP can, or Araya Souren's bounded fields, or God's Word's unified language, etc.

This personality comes out everytime Ryougi uses self suggestion, however the only abilities she gained are increased physical stats and precognition..

This is incorrect. Here is a brief explanation about how SH works:

-Self-hypnosis, which is mainly used by mages, is using hypnotic suggestions aimed towards one's self to bring out their inner capabilities. The stronger/better/more refined the hypnosis is, the more adequately it'll bring out one's inner capabilities:

-- Spells. Within the realm of mages, they were nothing more than suggestions aimed at oneself.

There is a magecraft for causing wind to blow. Just like a certain type of weapon, this was a power which had an ability that was determined from the start. No matter what mage used it, its effect would not change. Only the incantation was different.

The incantations called spells were for the purpose of activating the magecraft that one's body had become familiar with. Its contents showed the nature of the mage. That was because as long as you kept the necessary meanings and keywords for the activation of that particular piece of magecraft, the details of the incantation could be changed to suit the user's fancy.

The incantations of a narcissistic and pompous mage who easily got infatuated with themself was long. But it was also true that the more meaning you put into the spell, the more powerful the final effect. This was because the stronger the suggestion you put upon yourself, the stronger the ability you pulled out from yourself would be. - Kara no Kyoukai Chapter 5

Shiki, despite not being a mage that uses magecraft, uses self-hypnosis on herself when using her real fighting style with a sword, with it clearly being the highest form of self-hypnosis, completely remaking one's mind and body solely for combat:

A long, long, time ago. Samurai had been said to accept killing and be killed naturally the moment their swords were drawn. This wasn't because of an emotional state as a warrior. The instant they gripped the handle, they would awaken. Their bodies transform into ones existing only for killing, their brains turn into ones moving only for survival. This wasn't beyond the level of bracing oneself before a match. By drawing their katana, the functions of their brain switched. They were not switching their body to one suited for battle. Their brain was remaking their bodies into one fit for combat. By doing so, the muscles work in a way that should not be used by living beings, and the veins change the circulation route of the blood, prevent them from even breathing. ... Yes, human functions useless in battle are completely ejected as they are transformed into a part meant for war. "That stance. So you transformed yourself by autosuggestion. I'm surprised." The woman in the kimono answered, yes, to the muttering of the pained magus. The true identity of the fear that ran down Araya the moment Shiki opened her eyes was this. The magus cursed his ignorance. To think that there was a clan that this skill had been passed down to the current age. - Kara no Kyoukai Chapter 5

In fact, her fighting style in hand-to-hand and knife combat isn't what she was trained in, with her merely picking up techniques she's seen and started using them on the fly:

"I suppose I have something along those lines. I train by taking down everything using that as my premise, so if you call it a finishing move, it is one. But we aren't of that school. And it's originally a self-created style as well." The thing you train is your mindset, Ryougi adds. "You remake your body. From your breathing to the placement of your feet, awareness, thoughts, to be able to remake all of them for combat. Even the way of using your muscles changes, so it might feel like you become a different person. I suppose tensing your body and mind as a fight starts, and while you are fighting, is the foundation of all martial arts. However, we followed only that too much, and as a result our path went too far.

"What, if you are strong then that's that. There won't be any instances where you go around getting bashed up like me. And you finished off those three guys in an instant. That's an incredible self-created style right there. "When I spoke, remembering that refreshing instant of when I met this girl, Ryougi seems a bit surprised. "That's different. I only copied what I had seen. More than that, there's never been an instance where I've used our house's school of fighting. "She nonchalantly spat out that frightening statement, then Ryougi collapsed onto the bed and fell asleep. - Kara no Kyoukai Chapter 5

In fact, the fighting style with her knife and hand-to-hand she copied just from looking at it are the Nanaya Arts:

A listless girl who who wears both Eastern and Western clothes by wearing a leather jacket on top of her kimono. A character that seems have to have taken only the best parts of two characters: Tohno Shiki's Mystic Eyes of Death Perception and Nanaya Shiki's Nanaya Techniques. Every movement is high-spec, with no opening in either her offense or defense. - Character Introduction from Tsukihime's fourth Character Popularity Poll

So her true fighting style that she's seriously trained in is far above herself with her knife or hands using fighting styles she's randomly copied on the fly.

But what makes her self-hypnosis so insane is the fact that it brings out one's inner capabilities. The thing is, Ryougi's inner self is the ultimate avatar/representation of The One, with her only real limitation as Void being again, that she isn't The One itself, just maximally powered by it.

Due to this, combined with the fact her self-hypnosis is the highest possible, since it remakes her entire mind and body for solely combat, she has essentially reached the peak levels of swordsmanship possible. Her inner self being the ultimate representation of The One means that perfect self-hypnosis used on her for combat would bring out the highest possible perfected level of skill and speed for swordmanship possible, embodying the perfection of The One.

This goes beyond the mere physical as well. Representing the perfection of The One extends to the abstract, with her level of speed bypassing the boundaries of space-time and her skill allowing her to gain traits that can affect metaphysical entities even without her Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, along with having future sight:

For Shiki, the knife is just a substitute. The weapon she is most accustomed to using is a katana. When Shiki wields a katana, she can contend with supernatural entities even without using her Mystic Eyes, and she can even achieve a level of future sight similar to that of Akira Seo. - Character Introduction from Tsukihime's fourth Character Popularity Poll

We see this future sight in action too, as Ryougi knew where Araya was going to teleport before he did and leaped from the building all the way to the ground where he was going to teleport before he even did:

- The magus, with his black coat, was disappearing. Shiki didn't think of stopping him. What theories was the magus using to escape and how could she stop him? Shiki didn't bother to think of little things like that. If he wanted to run away, he's free to do as he wants. Shiki placed her hand on the railing in the hall.

"....But, I won't let you get away." She then jumped outside. The magus suddenly appeared at the garden, and without wasting time after his spatial shift, struck out his remaining arm. He looked up at the night sky and opened the palm of his hand so as to crush the circular tower. But at that instant, his body was slashed from the shoulder down. At that instant, his body was slashed from the shoulder down."Ryougi.....Shiki. "The magus, looking up at the sky, murmured.

"You....."

"....Impossible."

Unbelievable, he had said. It was natural for him to. Because, when the magus appeared at the garden and looked up at the sky, what was there was Ryougi Shiki, falling down from the tenth floor. The woman he was fighting - at the instant the magus had connected space from the mansion to the garden and moved - had jumped without hesitation from the hallway of the 10th floor. The magus' form still remained on the 10th floor, but she had jumped off to get to Araya Souren at the garden when he hadn't yet existed there. - Kara no Kyoukai Chapter 5

The reason she can damage non-physical entities in this state like her MEoDP is because, since she is connected to Nothingness/The One, she can tap into the truth that all things are interconnected and ultimately sourced from Akasha. Since swords are seen as symbols of "truth" that "cut away at false distinctions", SH Shiki can bypass the "false" distinction of the non-corporeal entity and directly reveal the truth about its existence.

Regarding her speed, instead, it also possesses metaphysical properties, specifically the ability to outright ignore physical space and turn significant distances to zero:

Araya knew well that to the swordsmen in the past of the old schools, a distance of 3 ken (5 meters) was the equivalent of zero. Probably, the Shiki of earlier could even cover a space of 5 ken/nine meters with one step. No one had known her true form. He had assumed that Ryougi Shiki's fighting style was by her mystic eyes and knife. But the truth was this. This woman is meant to be a killer using a katana. Compared to how she is now, her normal self cannot even match up to her. - Kara no Kyoukai Chapter 5

As stated here, SH Ryougi can cover a space of nine meters with only one step, which is physically impossible under normal circumstances. The reason she can do this is because her skill is outright bending space and reality to ensure that her strikes hit and that any unnecessary motion or effort is ignored. She brings the concept of expert martial artists being able to collapse the distance between point A and point B to its highest extent:

Ryougi Shiki with only one step covered a space of four meters. Her body flowed. The one step she walked was at the same time a step to repeat her deadly slashes. It almost even seemed as if with her unbelievably fast body, time wasn't so much as being stopped but rewound. - Kara no Kyoukai Chapter 5

As seen here, rather than moving, she is more like "flowing" or shifting through reality, even giving the impression that time is being rewound. It also states that her one step she walked also served to repeat her slashes, showing that SH Shiki can also chain multiple actions into one perfect, fluid motion with no delay at all. While most fighters need to think, move, and then strike (Each action being distinct) Ryougi can perform them simultaneously, with no pause.

So, to recap, Shiki in this state draws out her greatest capabilities as an avatar of The One, but only in regards to a certain specialty/aspect, that being swordsmanship, with her skill in it being to the utmost perfection possible to the point it goes beyond the physical and allows her to even affect the metaphysical without her other abilities like her Mystic Eyes of Death Perception. Of course, she can still use MEoDP in this state, making her even deadlier as SH synchronizes her movements to trace the Lines and Points of Death with perfect precision. Finally, self-hypnosis also enables Shiki to use her connection to The One to make all of existence/reality an extension of her killing intent. This allows her strikes and movements to warp space and time, giving them an almost predetermined nature, mirroring the inevitability of Death itself.

This is why Araya saw a glimpse of Void. But she is still not the real thing, but rather her swordmanship skills channeled by normal Ryougi with SH. Funnily enough, this is actually an extraordinariy feat for Void: Her perfection applied to only a single specific ability (Swordmanship) grants the ability to fight unconstrained by physical and temporal boundaries, akin to how an omnipotent being sees time and distance as zero to the mind and will. So obviously, this is further proof that Void has a non-dual perspective and complete control over reality, with her perfection extending to manipulating all things, instead of just swordmanship.

Firstly, this is lacking context. As Void and Ryougi in Grand Order are in a Servant container:

Which we know limits power massively. It did the same to Remake Archetype Earth:

Void herself even specifically said that she chose an imperfect form actually:

This isn't even rocket science. We can infer that Saber Void is not an accurate representation of the real Void's capabilites by merely looking at her default stats:

Saber Void has C ranked Agility, as opposed to Assassin Shiki having an A+. Which is a logical impossibility in the default lore, because, as shown in Part 3 of this thread, Shiki with her katana is multiple tiers ahead of her knife wielding self with respect to speed due to the Self Hypnosis effects. Araya Souren could statue Base Shiki while holding back, whereas Self Hypnosis Shiki statued him back while being massively injured from their previous fight. And in this case, Void is in control of the body, meaning that she would be even faster than normal Ryougi using Self Hypnosis due to being the Original personality that can fully draw out her Origin's power. Yet she randomly has a much lower Agility rank than her weaker personality not even operating at full capacity. Another obvious give away of the fact that her Servant container restricts her is her MEoDP having a lower rank than her normal counterpart:

Mystic Eyes of Death Perception: C

The rank is lower compared to her Assassin counterpart, since she doesn't need them originally. - Fate/Grand Order material III- Shiki Ryougi (Saber), p.164-171

The only justification provided is "she doesn't need them normally". Even though she has an even deeper understanding and comprehension of Death's mechanics than normal Ryougi does. So clearly, her Servant container can nerf her even below her weaker personality based off of arbitrary parameters.

The reasoning provided by the profile here:

with it being illogical to assume she was limited in scope, as Pseudo-Servants use the body of the host as a container. Void Shiki, being the body of Ryougi Shiki herself, has no reason to be limited.

Feels like a lot of words to say nothing in the end. A Pseudo-Servant is defined by the combination of a powerful spirit or deity occupying an existing human vessel. This setup inherently involves limitations based on the host's body and the rules governing Servants. Even if Void is using Shiki's original body, the summoning system would still impose the constraints typical of a Servant, as evident in her parameters, and other inferior beings like Archetype being nerfed as well.

All of this makes it extremely clear that Servant Void is nothing like the true unrestricted Void.

Most importantly though, all of this is utterly irrelevant:

- The Ryougi that appears in Grand Order is a rewritten version of the character that ties into the Tsukihime Remake, which is what is canon to Grand Order. The Remake has completely contradicting lore to the original, and Nasu even said that it was made this way precisely because the original could not fit at all. Tsuki RE is literally an entirely different story from the Original, with completely different lore that was specifically made to suit Grand Order, who cannot coexist with the Original. And KnK is into the same world as the original Tsukihime's. This means that it cannot possibly coexist with the Remake and, by extension, GO. Thus, the Void that you see in GO is from an unseen altered version of KnK that was rewritten to fit with the Tsuki RE canon, which is irrelevant to the original main version of Void and KnK.

For more information on the canon split and the incompatible depiction of KnK within Grand Order, you can read this thread here that goes in more detail regarding the canons.

So I couldn't care less about a butchered version of Void that has nothing to do with the original and would get soloed by any competent reality warper in Old TM being supposedly inferior to PM, while in a limited Servant container anyway. Applying GO Void's anti feats to OG Void is like applying the anti feats of the Batman in Nolan's movies to the comic iteration of his, simply because they are both "Batman". It's disingenuous.

This is an unofficial opinion from Nasu that isn't reflected anywhere in the actual lore, so it holds no weight. The source material and guidebooks always take precedence over any external statements when contradictions arise. If Nasu says one thing but the text shows something different, we go with the latter because it is the most concrete evidence. To do otherwise is to suggest that the text should magically conform to an out-of-universe comment made years later, or that Nasu has the authority to change how language or logic works, which is something everyone else abides by. Furthermore, Nasu himself has contradicted his own downplay of Void in another interview, indicating a lack of consistency in his statements. In fact, Nasu has a history of making errors and forgetting key details about the lore. In fact, Nasu in generally has a history of forgetting and making wrong claims even on basic lore, which you can see here in more detail.

In conclusion, Void (Or Ryougi in general really) is by far the strongest character in Old Type-Moon, and this arguments and line of thinkings do not work and are, frankly speaking, getting very old and tiring to hear.