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You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Garth. Hi, everyone,

welcome to the I Choose Me Podcast. This podcast is

all about the choices we make and where they lead us.

So today we're going to talk to someone very exciting.

My guest is an actress that is literally on two

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of the biggest Netflix shows right now, Monsters The Lyle

and Eric Meninda Story and Nobody wants this. You know

her from her roles in popular niptok multiple seasons of

American Horror Story, but I know her from our days

on the show. What I like about you? Please welcome

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Leslie Grossman to the I Choose Me Podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:46):

I'm so happy to see you.

Speaker 1 (00:48):

You're not as happy as me. We just saw each other.

Happenstance brought us together in an airport. I have no

idea what city we were in, New York, Okay, New York. Great.

We had been on the same flight and we didn't

know it.

Speaker 2 (01:00):

But I don't understand how I didn't see you like

that doesn't actually make any sense And also really the

scariest thing that can happen happen where I'm standing there

and I heard my name, Leslie, and you just don't

know what you're turning into when you turn. And I

was so happy it was you and I got to

see Lola who you know that to me like I

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could cry and thinking about it, just because you would

bring Lola to work when she was an infant and

then a toddler. And she's the most beautiful baby and

is now the most like stunning ethereal Like, ah, thank you, Angel,

I mean she really her whole vibe. She's like an angel.

Speaker 1 (01:39):

I'm so happy to see you too.

Speaker 2 (01:42):

She's like a doll face. And you just have you

have the best girls, the nicest girls. And you know,

my daughter and your daughter are friendly, which is so

cute because they totally did that.

Speaker 1 (01:50):

I know your Goldie is friends with my Fiona. They're

both about the same age. And how did these kids

these days know each other without anybody else involved, Like,

I guess it's the social me.

Speaker 2 (02:04):

It is it is. It's My daughter knows every single

child her age in her grade, freshman in college, the

year below.

Speaker 1 (02:11):

I mean, like they only in every school, That's right.

Speaker 2 (02:14):

That's what's so crazy is I'm from Los Angeles. I

knew everyone in my grade and like two kids from

another school now everybody knows everybody, and I think that

is horrible, But then I think it's all so cute

and it's exactly why they're friends. So I aspect I

support that.

Speaker 1 (02:29):

I can you imagine having to know everybody in all

the places.

Speaker 2 (02:33):

It's hard enough to be a teenager and to be

a girl, and then having all that whatever, that's a

different story for another time. Anyway, it's so nice to

see you, and it was so fun to get to

run into you. And you also look like so beautiful

coming off this like fly. I was like, that's annoying.

Why do you look so fresh?

Speaker 1 (02:47):

Stop it? I was wearing a big hat, that's why.

Speaker 2 (02:51):

So cute.

Speaker 1 (02:52):

Wait, you dropped a bomb on me right there in

the airport baggage claim, Yes, and you told me. Can

I say, you know.

Speaker 2 (03:00):

What's funny is I actually have not spoken about it yet,

But you can say.

Speaker 1 (03:03):

I don't want to. I don't want to ru ruin

your moment.

Speaker 2 (03:07):

You guys say, no, I am engaged, which is so fun.

Speaker 1 (03:09):

Now are engaged?

Speaker 2 (03:11):

I am. So that's a wild thing that I didn't

see coming nothing. I didn't see it coming with this person.

I just didn't see any of this next chapter of

my life coming and you know.

Speaker 1 (03:20):

Who does though, Oh my god, I'm so happy for you.

Speaker 2 (03:23):

So sweet, thank you. I'm happy for me too. He's

a wonderful person. And it's funny that this is the

first time I'm talking about it publicly general and it's

so funny because I've known you for many many years,

you know me and my earlier iteration, so that you know,

we get to see each other how we are now.

I mean, it's a trip to be the age that

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I am.

Speaker 1 (03:47):

Yes and me, but this is like the best ever

start to this amazing second chapter of your life, because

you're going to be an empty nester before you know it.

Speaker 2 (03:57):

I mean, it's not you were smart because you had

three kids, laid the pain. You delayed the pain like

I only have one. It's going to be hard and terrible.

And you know, it's so annoying to her because I'll

just like, we'll be having dinner and I'll just stare

at her and she's like, could you stop staring at me?

And I'm like, I'm just trying to drink you in.

Speaker 1 (04:15):

Oh my god, I can't imagine having you as a mom.

I would be laughing all the time. At you, not

with you, at you.

Speaker 2 (04:22):

Yes, And I think Goldie would agree with that. There

is a lot laughing at me. That is fair, But

it's you know what I was thinking. You know, when

they're little and it's so hard, like you're in it

and they're like four, and you have so much going

on and you're so tired, and you're like, I won't

make it to bedtime today. I pay so much money.

One hour with Goldie at four years old.

Speaker 1 (04:42):

Oh my god, I say that all the time. I

would rather go back to the diapers and a heartbeat.

Speaker 2 (04:49):

A heart beat and every cliche that everyone says. And

you know, this is the truth. It's like, what she's

my daughter's about to be eighteen next month, Like what

I mean, Look, you sent me that picture. Jenny sent

me a picture took Goldie over. I mean they were

I don't know, six months old, nine months. I couldn't

tell from that picture they were infants. And I remember

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that day that felt like fifteen minutes ago.

Speaker 1 (05:14):

I know, we're just sitting on the couch holding our

babies on.

Speaker 2 (05:17):

I remember going to your house and it was so

cute and they were all playing together, and I remember

Lola was reading to us, like I remember it so clearly.

And I also remember looking at Lola and being like, god,

Goldie will when is Goldie ever going to be that age?

That seems like one hundred years.

Speaker 1 (05:30):

She was like, oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:32):

Now Goldie's texting me like I won't be home for

dinner and who knows when you'll see me.

Speaker 1 (05:37):

I know, it's such a trip. It's such parentoed. Motherhood

is such a trip.

Speaker 2 (05:42):

That is it is? Anyway, Yes, it is a very

lucky and wonderful next chapter. But I mean, look, my

whole life got reorganized around my fiftieth birthday and everything

got thrown up into the air and it sort of

fell to the ground. And I was like very intense

about deciding what I was going to pick up and

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what I was going to That doesn't come with me anymore.

Speaker 1 (06:04):

So at fifty, that's when you got a divorce.

Speaker 2 (06:07):

Well, I yeah, I mean I guess we broke up

when I was forty eight, forty nine ish, but fifty,

a few things happened. And I don't want to like

get too intense right away. And you didn't even ask this,

but with a very short span I was married for

almost twenty one years, that ended. And by the way,

I don't know if you know this, kids love it

when you get divorced.

Speaker 1 (06:25):

Wait what, Oh, I don't know if you know.

Speaker 2 (06:28):

Oh, you don't know that.

Speaker 1 (06:29):

I know it in certain circumstances. I think I know

what you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (06:33):

Yeah, my daughter did not love it. And it was

also the first month of the pandemic shut down and

she was thirteen years old, so the timing of it

was as bad as it could have been. And then

pretty shortly after that, and this is really like I'm

really getting dark. Sister in law died. This was my

brother's wife.

Speaker 1 (06:52):

Died so close you were, she was my sister.

Speaker 2 (06:57):

I mean, it's devastating in ways because when it's out

of war death than a young person who should never

have died from a terrible illness and they have young parents,

just awful. But you know, you have a choice. And

when all of this stuff happens, I just decided that

I was going to have to be brave. That I

hadn't been brave in the past, and I regretted that,

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and I decided I was going to be brave, and

I felt like I had a very hard reset. And

also for my sister in law. She would have been like,

what are you doing? Get up, go do something amazing,

like get it going. So she was actually like an

incredible motivator for this next phase of my life.

Speaker 1 (07:37):

I love that that you are able to take, you know,

losing her and turn that into something that motivates you.

And that like the connection didn't end just because she died.

Speaker 2 (07:46):

It didn't happen immediately. I mean you have to understand.

There was where I was like at the depths of

going through the divorce, Oh my god, and it was like, oh, okay,

I'm going to look from a car crash to like

someone getting murdered in front. It was just a rough,

rough period. But you know what I have to say,

I had the greatest support from my family and friends.

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I couldn't have had more support, but amazing therapist and

the therapist. Even with all that support from everybody else

around me, it was my therapist too pretty much saved

my life, who was like, yeah, you're gonna have to

get up now, like we're done and now you go

got to get up.

Speaker 1 (08:25):

And now wait, how long have you been seeing this therapist.

Speaker 2 (08:28):

For so long? I love her?

Speaker 1 (08:30):

Oh my god, can you text me her?

Speaker 2 (08:32):

Name. Oh my god, she's so brilliant. I mean, I

would say have been seeing her for the better part

of twenty years and not consistently. But what's so nice

about that is she knows me from right and have

a long time ago. But she was incredibly helpful. Well,

I just really launched.

Speaker 1 (08:46):

Into this and now, okay, so thank you for being

on the show. Bye bye.

Speaker 2 (08:52):

I've covered death, divorce, my therapist, my daughter in college.

What else do you want to get into you?

Speaker 1 (08:57):

This is what it's like when we talk though, Like

I'm right back on the set with you immediately.

Speaker 2 (09:02):

That's great.

Speaker 1 (09:03):

Blah blah blah blah blah. We just go for it.

I just sometimes I like to start the beginning because

I like to get to know you, and I like

everybody that's listening to get to know you from the

beginning a little bit. So let's rewind for just a second.

You grew up in La ye, did you always want

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to be an actress?

Speaker 2 (09:25):

I mean I think it was something that always appealed

to me. You have to understand, I grew up in

a very nerdy Jewish family and sell me, Oh my god,

my parents were like intellectual dorsay that with all the

love in the world, like just not had no interest

in pop culture, didn't know anything. Like I always knew

somebody was enormously famous. If my mother knew who they were,

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I was like, okay, this has gotten to my mom.

Speaker 1 (09:50):

Which means is like a big deal.

Speaker 2 (09:53):

Yes, exactly. I was not allowed to watch television, Like

the only stuff we watched was like Walter Cronkite and

election returns and you know, things like that. So it

was they sort of assumed, well, you'll go be an attorney,

or you'll be an architect, or you'll be a social

worker or a rabbi, which is what my mother begged

me to do when I told her I was officially

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going to try to be an actor, with tears in

her eyes, M he's try to be a rabbi. It's

like performing just.

Speaker 1 (10:20):

Because kind of yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:22):

So it was a thought in my head, but not

something I thought was a possibility or realistic. Nobody in

my family was in the business. It was an attorney

who worked in some ways sometimes with entertainment, but he

wasn't in the business in any way. And so I

had a very normal upbringing. So but they shouldn't have

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brought me up the Los Angeles and sent me a crossroads.

It's their fault, that was.

Speaker 1 (10:48):

Their mistake, right, Okay, I know, I know you've talked

about this before, and I know I know about it,

but I don't know if you're comfortable talking about that

you were adopted.

Speaker 2 (10:55):

Oh yes, oh yeah. It's my favorite thing to talk

about because.

Speaker 1 (10:59):

When you talk about it, because you ended up with

the most beautiful, perfect situation and your life just was amazing.

And I just because everyone out there so much hope

because you were adopted out of foster care. Right I was,

And how old were you?

Speaker 2 (11:14):

I was only ten weeks old, so it wasn't like

I spent a long time. But look, I was in

foster care in La County in the early seventies. It

was not like it is today. There was no private

adoption then. But you know, first of all, November which

is coming up as National Adoption Month, and so I

always like to talk about the stuff. So I hope

you brought it up. But the reason I like to

talk about it is, you know, particularly when I was

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growing up, adoption was discussed in this like very modeling,

sad way, and you know, there was this book and

look don't come at me. I don't want to get

your emails about this. If it helped you, great God bless.

But there was a book that came out many, many

years ago called The Adoption Wound, and the book essentially states,

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you're fucked if you're adopted, you're a mess. You got

this horrible hole in your heart. It'll never be filled,

and it's why you have all these problems and you

can blame everything.

Speaker 1 (12:05):

And wait, wait, wait, was the book trying to help

you or just label you? I think it was trying

to help you, but it didn't help you.

Speaker 2 (12:12):

It never that never resonated with me. I never had

a moment where I looked in the mirror and felt

like there's something missing. You know. It's very funny, Jenny,

my birth family found me on Instagram.

Speaker 1 (12:25):

Really I was going to ask you if you'd ever

dug in there.

Speaker 2 (12:28):

It did and it was my birth sister's daughter. So

my birth niece, I guess is what you would call.

Her message me on Instagram and was like, Hi, I

think you are my mom's sister. And you know, we

went and got DNA tests and she was, in fact

my sister and I have met her and we are

in contact, and I have to say she is the

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loveliest person. She is so nice, she has wonderful daughters,

she's a grandmother like she is fantastic, and I'm so

happy to have met her. But I didn't feel like

and this is not I'm sure she probably felt the

same way about me. I didn't feel like, now I

get it and I and this hole has been filled.

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I felt like, this is a very nice person who's

a stranger to me, who we have incredible connection. That

means something, and I think that's great, and I have

only the best of feelings about her. But you know,

my family's my family, so and then you know, I

adopted my daughter.

Speaker 1 (13:30):

So it did Oh my god, Okay stop for a second.

One day we were at work and you didn't have

a baby, and then one day you came and you

had a baby. I was like, what is happening? Well,

it seems so fast for me.

Speaker 2 (13:43):

I don't fast for me too, Jenny. That was so Yes,

it was a very ridiculous thing where we actually found

out about her the day that she was born, and

she was in our home the next day. It was wild.

Speaker 1 (13:54):

I mean it was crazy.

Speaker 2 (13:56):

The circumstances were bananas in very very last minute and overwhelming.

And I'm the kind of person that like when I

get like a new handbag first, so I researched that

handbag for like about six months. Then when I get it,

I like leave it in my closet to get used

to the new environment and like make sure it's comfortable

with all its friends. Like that's a handbag a child,

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like with no warning.

Speaker 1 (14:19):

So you're saying you're a planner, I'm.

Speaker 2 (14:21):

A little bit of a planner. And speaking of my

sister in law, what she did was I have a

niece who's three years older than my daughter. My sister

in law stayed up all night long washing all her

baby clothes, getting her bass and out ready, and the

next day I literally had everything I basically needed to

have a newborn baby in the house. So it was

a complete last minute surprise, ridiculous thing. That is like

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the best thing that's ever happened. And if you know

my daughter, I mean she was meant to be my lady.

So it's very goldie. It's very cool to be adopted

and adopt I love that I get to have that

full circle.

Speaker 1 (14:58):

That's really really powerful.

Speaker 2 (15:01):

It is and also you know, it's so funny because

I've met so many people that have like fertility issues

or whatever, and they'll just say to me, adoption is

not an option. They're like, it's just it's too unknown

for me. And I'm comfortable, and I don't know. Somebody

once said to me, I'll never forget it. They were like,

you know, you just you don't know what you're going

to get, as if having your own biological child, you

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know what you're going to get. Did Jeffrey Dahmer's parents

know what they were going to get? I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (15:26):

Good point.

Speaker 2 (15:28):

It's just such a ridiculous thing to me. And you know,

I'm not like a hyper religious person, but I do

think it's sort of like the closest thing I've ever

experienced to a religious experience is having that connection with

a person who is not that didn't come from my body,

but feels so much like my person.

Speaker 1 (15:47):

So you too, are so alike, it's wild.

Speaker 2 (15:51):

He hates hearing that.

Speaker 1 (15:52):

Oh my god, I mean, I hate to look completely

the same like you look like you gave birth to her.

Speaker 2 (16:01):

Isn't that crazy? And the funny thing is that I

wouldn't have cared whatever you know, my kid ended up

looking like I had no preference. I didn't care. This

just literally she kind of fell from the sky into

her lap. So it all is an incredible, wonderful thing.

And you just don't ever know what's the round.

Speaker 1 (16:19):

You don't ever know, you don't ever know. Oh my god,

I know that you lost your father too. I lost

my father. I know what a pain that is. And

I loved your dad a little time I got to

spend with him.

Speaker 2 (16:33):

Your dad was your man, like he was your dude,

you know, And when you lose your dude, it is

a brutal it's real, and it doesn't met. My dad

was eighty four, he was very ill. It doesn't matter,

Like it does not matter. And you know, how long

has it been since you lost your dad?

Speaker 1 (16:50):

More than ten years? Yeah, but it doesn't get any

I mean it does, like the trauma of it sort

of slowly subsides. But like it's been a year for you,

where would you say that you are in your grief process?

Speaker 2 (17:02):

Wow, Jenny, you asked such good questions. So, you know,

my dad was very ill, and particularly the last year

was so awful and he was suffering and so by

extension suffering. So I think I would never say that

I felt like relief that my dad was gone, but

I felt relief that he was no longer in pain.

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And also what my mother endured because she was the

single most dedicated caretaker I have ever seen in my life,

and her entire life existed to take care of my father,

and so there was a part of me that felt like,

he is no longer in terrible pain, my mother is

not having I mean, she never slept, she never ate.

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I mean, it was but what I realized was that

sort of relief was almost like an anesthesia that it

kind of hung around for a little bit, and then

that started to wear off, and then I was like, well,

that's horrible that that happened to him, and that now

he's gone. So I feel I had a little bit

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of a freak out on the day of the anniversary

of his death where I got really emotional. But you know,

I'm trying to lean into being really, really really grateful

for what I had. That's what I'm trying to lean into. Also,

when your parents die, it's inevitable that you're like, oh,

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who's uh, who's next in line? Huh, That's that's me

I'm next. Oh that's really dark, and I know it

won't be.

Speaker 1 (18:33):

A very long time, but the point is that it

does it. You have to face mortality in a completely

different way.

Speaker 2 (18:39):

Very confronting. I don't like it, but you know, every

single person on the face of the.

Speaker 1 (18:44):

Earth is gonna go through it.

Speaker 2 (18:46):

Well, that's right. Life comes for everybody, and so life

came from me kind of hard, very close together. But

what are you gonna do, Jenny?

Speaker 1 (18:53):

Yeah, I mean I can relate. I had just come

off like kind of a high point, and then my

daughter Lola actually got very very ill. And this was when, yeah,

I think we were already done with the show. When

she was five years old, and I thought she was

going to die like Peter and I thought we were

losing her. And then right after that, right after she

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started to get better, my dad passed away. And then

you know, just those bad things, they kind of keep

hitting you while you're down. I don't know what it.

Speaker 2 (19:25):

Is about that they do come close together. I feel

like in a weird way that sort of like happens

in life, Like it's almost like a portal gets opened

ment all. Yeah, Genny, stuff happens, and.

Speaker 1 (19:35):

I'm always scared when one bad thing happens, because then

I'm like, oh my god, what's next. Yeah, it usually

happens in threes, That's what they say.

Speaker 2 (19:43):

Okay, well we're done with that now.

Speaker 1 (19:47):

So let's be over it. Well, So, I'm sorry for

your loss. I know how much he meant to you,

and I'm just really sorry.

Speaker 2 (19:53):

I appreciate that because I know you know what it

feels like. So and it does means something when somebody

who like you know, really loved their dad and really

had like a really special and good connection with their dad.

That when someone will say to me I understand, I'm like,

I know you do, and that makes it better. It does.

Speaker 1 (20:12):

Let me ask you one more question about this. I

found that it didn't well, I always feel this way

with death of someone that I love, that it doesn't

feel real for so long, Like it just I feel

like I'm gonna see him again, or the phone's gonna ring,

it's gonna be them, and I I feel like I'm

there's that period of time where it just I don't

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accept it. Did you experience that?

Speaker 2 (20:37):

I think, first of all, I think that is such

a like relatable thing to say I felt my dad

was such an outsized personality, and he took up such

big space in my life. He was the single biggest

influence on me, and I went to him for his

guidance and his counsel over everything that It was almost

like I was like, how does he can't die? Someone

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like that doesn't die, They don't just cease to exist.

How is that possible? So that I think was my

version of being in disbelief, like how is this person

out here? And there's every day where I'm like, God,

I wish I could ask you about this or that

or what is a Pina thinks about that?

Speaker 1 (21:17):

Do you feel closer? Because people told me this too

that first of all, they said a little git easier,

it won't hurt so bad, which I was like, fuck you,

you don't know what you're talking about. But there are

also people that said that you'll start to feel him

all around you, and I was like, he's dead. There's

no way I can feel him. And that irritated me

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so badly. But I did find that after time, whenever

I'm in the wind, whenever the wind is around me,

I feel like I feel like goosebumps right now because

he knows I'm talking about him, but I can feel

him so strongly, and now it's as if I have

and not just with my dad, with other people that

I've loved that passed away, Like I have a direct

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connection with speaking to them anytime I want. It's not

like I'm going to call them and ask for advice

and they're gonna be like, let me call you later.

You know, if you talk to them after they've died,

it feels like there's so much closer somehow do you

feel that way?

Speaker 2 (22:18):

I completely relate to what you're saying. And look, it's

like scientifically proven, like people are energy, and that energy

and that love is a real living thing and something

I really appreciate In Judaism. Judaism actually has an incredibly

smart set of rules around when people die, how long

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you know, you're not supposed to do this thing called

sitting shiva where you don't you don't leave your house

for seven days and people come and you cover the

mirrors because you're not supposed to think about vanity or anything.

And then after seven days you are to take a

walk around the block. The family is like, Okay, this

is now signifying to the community it is over, yes,

And then there's all these things you do in the

first year to sort of mark whatever, and then on

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their your anniversary, you have the unveiling of their grave,

their tombstone. So it's very sort of like okay, like

they're very into the markers of time that's passed. But

something they do that I really appreciate is weew just

don't embalm the body, and you must be buried within

forty eight hours. You have to get in the ground

because their feelings. As soon as you die, your soul

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that's all that matters. Your body is meaningless. All that

matters is the soul. And I believe that that is

energy that lives on that love that my dad had

for me, and I have for my dad that hasn't

gone anywherewhere. That's still with me. Your love that you

have for your dad, that he had for you is

always with you and in you, and now it's with

your children, and it's you know, it goes all through

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every single aspect of your life. So yes, I do

feel that because I still feel how much he loved me,

very very much. That being said, I would like to

still pick up the phone and have a conversation with him.

For that to the feeling of him being around.

Speaker 3 (24:01):

Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:02):

But I think that's a very real thing. And I

don't think that's hippy dippy. I don't think that's woo woo.

I don't think that's you know, bullshit. I think that

is very real and concrete feeling that you have when

you have real love and connection with someone. I feel

like with my sister in law too. I have a picture,

you know, I have pictures of her everywhere, and I

have one in my bathroom. So every single morning when

(24:22):

I wake up, she's sort of the first and last

thing I see, and I always I'm like, Shannon, what

are we going to do? They go talk to her picture.

I'm like, oh my god, can you believe this? Could

you hear about that? And it's like I can almost

feel like I'm half so, you know, I think that

stuff is so important to lean into. Why I deny

yourself that, you know? And I love that you feel

(24:44):

that when there's that you feel your dad. I think

that's so like fantastic. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:50):

I love that you talk to her every morning every morning. Okay,

let's switch gears. I could talk about Graef for a

very long time. Can you believe that our show what

I Like about You started twenty two years ago.

Speaker 2 (25:02):

I really can't. I mean I really can't.

Speaker 1 (25:06):

I had a baby on that show. You had a

baby on that show.

Speaker 2 (25:09):

It's wild, it is crazy. I can't believe how quickly

it's gone. You know that that really was one of

my most favorite work experiences of my entire life. I

think about it all the time, and I still get

feedback from people. Constant toute were up watching it. It

was like their comfort show. People love that show. I

mean literally all the time, people say, I'm sure they

(25:31):

say it to you all the time.

Speaker 1 (25:32):

Yes, So people of a certain age, like I have

my nine to two one oog fans.

Speaker 2 (25:38):

Oh, I mean you are like so critical to so

many people. It's so many.

Speaker 1 (25:43):

Then there's like ten years younger, and they were so

hooked on what I like about you because it was

such a good show. We had so much fun. Every

one of us, I think probably said the same thing,

like it was our one of our favorite experiences working absolutely.

Speaker 2 (25:55):

And you know, I have a very distinct memory of

working on that show, and I was walking up the stairs.

For people who don't know, it was a multicam which

almost doesn't exist anymore, which is so sad, and it

was a favorite, favorite kind of work that I never

get to do. And you know, the stage was on

the first floor, and then our dressing rooms were upstairs.

And I remember one day walking up to my dressing

room and I just had this like feeling where I

(26:18):

was like, I feel very grateful for this. I feel very,

very very grateful to be here and for this, And

I felt that all the time on that job. I

just loved who I worked with. It was sort of

a joyous place to be and it was fun and

we just like, you.

Speaker 1 (26:32):

Know, I know, right going to work and having a

good time and laughing instead of being scary or murdered

or all your things, I feel.

Speaker 2 (26:42):

Like committing murders, running for murders. But not only that,

because of the way that those shows are filmed, you

have a quality of life in your home with your kids.

Your kids could come to work and hang out and

it was like completely great to have them there. So

that was also something that was really nice that you

it felt more kind of like a normal job in.

Speaker 1 (27:00):

A way, you know, like it was called banker hours,

like you would.

Speaker 2 (27:04):

Be in traffic driving home, and like there was one

night that we worked till like ten, you know, when

we shot in front of the audience, But that's I mean, god,

as you know, working non multiicam ten o'clock wrapping on

a Friday night as early. So anyway, it was my favorite.

Speaker 1 (27:19):

I love it.

Speaker 3 (27:19):

Oh.

Speaker 1 (27:20):

I loved having you there because you came in on

the second season.

Speaker 2 (27:23):

Was that I did, and as a guest star of

the first season, and then I came back as a

regular on the second season, which was such a gift.

Speaker 1 (27:29):

Oh. I was so excited to have you there to

play with because I felt like we were the grown

ups a few recall, and I didn't like that feeling

because I was not had never had that feeling before,

and so I was so happy to have a fellow

grown up with me to play with every day and

to do these fun scenes with. We had so much fun.

Speaker 2 (27:49):

Oh my god, No, we really did, like for real,

for real, and you were so lovely to me and

like welcoming and like come on in. And that was

I mean, it was sort of because it was sort

of divided between the adults and the kids young, which

that's fine, Like that was super fun. I leaned into

the aunt sassy of it all.

Speaker 1 (28:09):

You know, like, yep, you took on the ant sassy

and I was like the big sister. That wasn't that fun?

Speaker 2 (28:15):

Yes, but we I mean that also like I was

such a true idiot that character, which you don't. I've

really I've cornered the market. I'm playing actual insane people

and I don't find myself to be personally insane, but

I do seem to lean into that very comfortably. So

I don't know what that says about me.

Speaker 1 (28:34):

There's this there's this part about you that you you

are on the fly all the time, Like that makes sense,

like you I never know what's going to come out

of your mouth, which I love people like that. It

keeps things fresh and exciting. And so I feel like

you're in You're kookie, You're you're a little kookie, and

those are all the best qualities in somebody.

Speaker 2 (28:55):

So well, I appreciate that, but pretty high up in

my book, Well you're high at my book. But I

think that you and I had really good chemistry and

we played all yeah super well. And I think I

also felt like the way that everybody felt about each

other on that show really came through, Like we genuinely

enjoyed being around each other, and so I felt like

that absolutely translated and why people responded the way that

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they did.

Speaker 1 (29:18):

Should we do a reboot?

Speaker 2 (29:22):

I mean, look, Jenny, if the money we've talked about it,

Oh look, I am all about nostalgia TV. I think

that stuff is fun, and if it was a wonderful

script and the right mix, then I'm open to any

and all things.

Speaker 1 (29:37):

I know. I know we've talked about it before, and

there's certain, you know, reasons why we can't do it

the way it was done. But we had so much fun.

And you're right, the art, the multi camera art is

so close to dying.

Speaker 2 (29:52):

I agree, and I have to say, like I do

think for everybody involved in that show, it was a

real sweet spot, you know what I mean, where people

were really at their best, and so you know, that's

such a I want to articulate this in a good way.

I have so much affection for that part of our lives,

(30:16):

and that just amongst the cast, that everybody was sort

of firing on all cylinders and everybody had such great

chemistry together. So yes, I am open to all the things.

Speaker 1 (30:28):

Jenny, let's talk, Okay, So this is a burning question

of mine. What is the deal with you and Ryan Murphy.

You've worked with them like two hundred times at least.

Well you got did you go to high school? What's

happening with this Ryan?

Speaker 2 (30:47):

I met before? What I like about you? I met

Ryan in nineteen ninety eight in the casting process for

a show called Popular. We just instantly hit it off.

This was my first series, it was Ryan's first series.

Nobody had any idea who he was. And he I mean,

I hate to use this term, it's super cheesy, but

(31:09):

I do feel that he is, you know, a soulmate

of mine in many ways. We share a very similar

worldview and what we think is funny, and you know,

he's just this incredibly brilliant but also hilarious human being.

And we just hit it off instantly, and this friendship

(31:30):

has endured. And I have to say, I never ever,

ever expected to work with him for all of these years.

The work part was sort of secondary. We met at work,

but you meet lots of people at work, and you

never work friends.

Speaker 1 (31:44):

You don't think you're gonna work with them for forty years, like.

Speaker 2 (31:47):

You know, so well, it's not quite forty years. Don't

age me.

Speaker 1 (31:50):

I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I almost, but.

Speaker 2 (31:54):

I never and so each time we work together, I'm like, Okay,

like I think that's so exciting, but I've never expected it.

I've never assumed if we'd only ever done that first

series together, that would have been enough, Like that would

have been plenty. He gave me my opportunity to be

in my very first series. So I feel so so

(32:16):

so lucky that I that is one of those things

that's just timing, the stars aligning, that is this right time.

I just happened to be a certain age at a

certain time and appropriate for a certain whatever, and we

cross paths, and it's just been the most wonderful friendship,

not just creatively but also personally. You know, we've both

(32:39):

been through so much, and you know, he's a dad

and like the most committed parent, and I love his

children so much, and he is so good to my daughter.

And when Goldie had her first real breakup, anything I

talked to her about, she was like, you just don't

get like she just didn't want to hear it from me.

Had one conversation with her and she was like, that

was the best advice I've ever gotten. And so he's

(33:01):

very been very wonderful and good to my daughter. So

you know, they have the same birthday, GOLDI and Ryan

have the same birthday.

Speaker 1 (33:08):

Okay, that's getting weirder. Then it's so good though.

Speaker 2 (33:11):

And they're both it's November ninth. They're both hardcore scorpios.

I'm telling you like and by the way, both of

them are triple scorpios. So I feel like the universe

is like ha ha.

Speaker 1 (33:23):

From both sides. You're getting it. But you've worked with them,

I know for people that aren't listening, just want to

like remind them with popular nip tuck, the new not

have a list here the new normal American horror stories.

Speaker 2 (33:35):

But how many I've done six seasons of horror story

port story. I just worked with him on Menendez.

Speaker 1 (33:43):

Yeah, Hi, can we talk about that please?

Speaker 3 (33:45):

Sure?

Speaker 2 (33:46):

Please would love.

Speaker 1 (33:47):

To talk about monsters. It's so good. It's so good,

The Lyle and Eric Menenda story. It's out now on Netflix,

and if you haven't watched it, you need to crawl

out from under the rock that you're living in and

go and watch it. You are so incredible as my

favorite character, judelan Am I saying all right, yes, judelan Smith, Yeah,

(34:08):

I did not know you were going to be in it.

I was watching and I was like, oh my god,

there's Leslie.

Speaker 2 (34:13):

I just saw it.

Speaker 1 (34:13):

I just saw her at airport. It was like this

weird full circle moment. You were so so good.

Speaker 2 (34:19):

You're very kind. The look was very intense. You know,

it's it's a wig, it's in nineteen eighty nine clothes.

She's a very specific person, you know, because I'm from

Los Angeles and I was in high school when that happened,

and actually several friends who were in school with Eric,

and this was, you know, two miles from where I

grew up. So this this news was huge nationally and internationally. Locally,

(34:42):

it was like all anyone could think about her talk

about And so I really watched that case very closely

when it happened. And then wasn't the first one that

aired on Court TV. I feel like I should know this,

but it was one of the first things that aired

in its entirety on Court TV, and I watched whenever

I could. And I remember or this character that I

play in the show, Judelan Smith Hilly. She was a

(35:04):

very unique character and person and her testimony was really outrageous.

So I remember it very clearly and Thankfully, all of

that testimony is available on YouTube, so I was able

to watch all of it and find it of it.

But to get to be a part of this was

really incredible and phenomenal. But it was mostly just to

(35:25):

watch Cooper Kotch and Nicholas Chavez, who play Lyell and Eric.

I mean, to watch their performances and to get to

be around that and just knowing like, oh, wow, your

entire lives are going to change as soon as this errors,

and it has. But they're so talented and so good,

and so that was really cool to get to watch

(35:46):

their incredible hard work and then for the world to

see it and really respond to that.

Speaker 1 (35:52):

Yeah, everybody remembers that happening in the nineties. I was

working through it. I was playing a character that went

to the same school as him. So yeah, So and that's.

Speaker 2 (36:03):

When your show was, I mean, as huge as huge

could be. And you know what's so funny, Jenny, I

think about this all the time. What was the average

number of a Nino two and zero show when it aired?

How many people were watching that on an average night?

Speaker 1 (36:18):

Not that many because it was on Fox, which was

a network.

Speaker 2 (36:22):

Eighteen million.

Speaker 1 (36:24):

Yeah, probably, Okay, do you understand to.

Speaker 2 (36:27):

Me, that's not enough, but eighteen million views, that would

be a hit in a way that like you would

hear executives screaming, like across the canyons of Los Angeles.

I mean that the numbers that your show got were

so massive, but just culturally it was so huge, and

(36:48):

so for Nano two one oh to be it, it's

really like ascendency right right when those were it was

a and I remember that and I spoke about that

in an interview. It was a wild chriss cross because

I feel like the juggernaut of the show was also

rocket fuel for the story of the murder.

Speaker 1 (37:10):

Yeah, and interestingly enough, I think the show did sort

of an episode where actually Matthew Perry played a character,

so I remember this that was a tennis player and

under a lot of stress from his rich parents. And

I don't think he murdered them on our show.

Speaker 2 (37:26):

But I mean, Jenny, you have to understand something that

my freshman year of college, so obviously I watched it,

and I just remember somebody being like, there's a show

about kids that go to Beverly and I was like, what, Okay,

I have to watch this, and my freshman year of college.

You know, there was like you had to like watch

(37:46):

TV like in a congregate environment, like there was a

TV like in the co living space of a door, right,

but all meet and watch the show together, and it

was maybe the most fun ever. I mean the prom

episode where you guys are weren'ting the same forget It

or get It like iconic and you know what was

(38:06):

so fun about I'm sorry, I'm like totally looping back

into different like I'm going back to a different direction

that when people from Nina tuan O came onto our show,

I acted normal.

Speaker 1 (38:16):

I was me being out my god, yes, I'm what

I like about you. We had Ian on, we had

Luke on, we had Jason on. I think that's it.

Speaker 2 (38:27):

They were so wonderful too, like so fantastic, so wonderful.

And I felt really lucky that I got to meet Luke,

you know, because he was so cool, Like he was

so nice, he was so cool, and I have to say,

the two of you had that chemistry like no time

had gone by. It was like right there, which was fun.

But that like you'll never know how much that meant

(38:49):

to me. I was like I would totally play cool

it's like, hey, what's that? Nice to meet you, but

inside you're so good.

Speaker 1 (38:56):

Freaking out dude, you know you were saying like it

was appointment television. That doesn't happen anymore now it's all

about streaming. But you are on two shows that are

streaming on the top of the charts right now. Did

you ever think see that coming?

Speaker 2 (39:08):

I did not. So the other show you're talking about

is the Kristen Bell Adam Brodie show called Nobody Wants

This created my friend Foster, who I've known Aaron for

a long time. They were so lovely and called and said, hey,

would you do you want to come play a rabbi?

And I don't want to brag, but I've played a

rabbi several times now on television, so I love that

they made such an effort to have Jewish actors playing

(39:28):

Jewish characters, which you know, for many, many years is

not what happened. And it was like, I only did

one episode, but I swear to God, I have gotten

more feedback from doing that one episode than almost anything

I've ever done, because that is such a massive hit

and it's so funny that they aired at the exact

same time and then switched places like it's.

Speaker 1 (39:48):

Just you're killing it.

Speaker 2 (39:50):

Oh, I don't know. I'm an actor. So the minute

you say that, I'm like, well.

Speaker 1 (39:53):

I know. For me to never work again, I'll never worry.

Speaker 2 (39:56):

That's the only way it can happen, Like you have to.

And by the way, every time I get a job,

every time to this day, after decades of doing this,

I'm like, no.

Speaker 1 (40:04):

Really, are you sure? You're like, oh you want me?

Speaker 3 (40:08):

Yes?

Speaker 2 (40:09):

Always. I will never ever get over that. So I

when there's moments where people are watching what you do,

because there's a lot of downtimes.

Speaker 1 (40:21):

I was gonna ask you, you've been working steadily, pretty steadily.

Has there ever been a time during that downtime when

you're like, maybe I should try something different? Like what

else could I do?

Speaker 2 (40:33):

You know, you ask a great question. The one of

my toxic traits is I am enormously stubborn, and I

also am like, no, put too much time in. I

put too much time and I'm gonna wait everyone else

out until they leave, and then they'll create some sort

of vacuum for me to move into. I didn't ever

think of quitting. There were times where I was like, wow,

(40:53):

this is horrific because when you have something that you

love that is your dream, and you go through periods

where nothing really seems like it's going on. I remember

feeling like there was a time where it felt like

my career was like on a boat and the boat

was out to see and I was.

Speaker 1 (41:09):

Like, by can I come back someday?

Speaker 2 (41:12):

Hopefully it brings you back to me. So I have

had some real dark moments where I'm like, fuck, this

is horrible. I never ever thought of quitting, and I

swear to God, I truly believe that it's just through

sheer force of will and endurance and a refusal to quit.

Speaker 1 (41:34):

Yeah, that's the only reason.

Speaker 2 (41:36):

And it's out of a stubborn inability to know when

to call it.

Speaker 1 (41:42):

So because I always think what else am I gonna do?

Speaker 2 (41:45):

Like?

Speaker 1 (41:47):

This is what I do well.

Speaker 2 (41:48):

But the amazing thing about you is you do everything

which you know what you've always been And I've always

admired this about you. You are a frickin' hustler and

you always have been like you are, like you multitask

in a way that I've never seen, and I have

this memory of you like walking into work with like

two dogs, children, papers, the script and its like as an assistant,

(42:11):

like and you're like, you have seventy businesses and things

going on, but then when you have to lock into

the thing in front of you, will lock into that thing. Okay,

now I'm going to lock into that thing. And you

always did it all with a lot of grace, Like

I don't know, I am very I don't have that ability. So,

for instance, you have this incredible collaboration with QVC. You

(42:31):

know that, likeir so I have. I love QVC more

than anything. I mean I really do, and I watch

it all the time, and particularly at the height of lockdown,

I was like, nothing is more comforting to me right now,

like the world is in saying all I want to

do is watch someone talking about this particular blanket like

and why this is so good? And I'm like, I

(42:53):

want to hear all about the microfiber count on this blanket.

Speaker 1 (42:58):

It really there's something about it that just sucks you in.

Speaker 2 (43:01):

Yes, but you know you've also you you've always managed

to be like ahead of the curve. VC is doing

something very brilliant, embracing women fifty and over. Now right

that you are just like hello, like I am going

to walk right into that, and you're like the perfect

face for all of this, someone that people have grown

(43:21):

up with, who you know, they can see themselves in,

who's doing it in a way that's really admirable and aspirational.

And you know, I think you're amazing your ability to

just like always have fifty different things going at the

same time. I don't know how.

Speaker 1 (43:37):

Oh my god, thank you. Ask my husband. It's not

quite as graceful as you might think. But you got

a hustle, girl.

Speaker 3 (43:46):

You do.

Speaker 2 (43:46):

You do have to hustle.

Speaker 1 (43:47):

We got to pay the bills.

Speaker 2 (43:49):

And you've always been a very good provider.

Speaker 1 (43:52):

I like taking care of people.

Speaker 3 (43:54):

Well.

Speaker 2 (43:54):

Also, you've been working since you were really really young.

Speaker 1 (43:58):

Yeah, like soeen sixteen, seventeen.

Speaker 2 (44:01):

Yep, So I think that's just in you.

Speaker 1 (44:04):

It's yeah, I have a strong work ethic, and I

enjoy doing things like I enjoy getting shit done, like

checking it off my list and the next very impressive.

I thank you so much. That's a very nice of

you to notice me.

Speaker 2 (44:19):

And I wouldn't say it if I didn't.

Speaker 1 (44:27):

Okay, if you weren't an actress, Oh yes, what would

you do with your time? What would you be?

Speaker 2 (44:35):

It's such a cliche answer, but I probably would be

like a therapist. I just find people so fascinating and

I'm so like psychologically curious. And obviously that is so

much of what acting is, as you're getting into the

mind of.

Speaker 1 (44:45):

A different person.

Speaker 2 (44:47):

But I mean, for some of my favorite thing ever,

like my dream evening is this is gonna sound terrible,

getting sat next to people that are in a fight,

like a couple like I just because I want to

hear them nimin issues and he is not He needs

to go to a therapist for that, and she is

not listening and she's not holding space for it.

Speaker 1 (45:08):

Like I just like, let's go to I want to

go to dinner with you and we won't talk. No,

we'll just listen.

Speaker 2 (45:14):

Suh, will order our food and then hopefully sit.

Speaker 3 (45:17):

Next to people, go right next to people, correct And

I've had that, So I find other psychological dynamics between

people fascinating, and you know, figuring out why people are

the way that they are and how you correctly affects

what you're like today and how you can make real

(45:37):

change right here, right now that whatever happened to you,

it's not like, oh, it's not like the story is

written and you can't adjust that.

Speaker 2 (45:45):

And how people can figure out different ways to get

through things. I find all of them.

Speaker 1 (45:52):

I do too. Should we should have been a therapists together.

Speaker 2 (45:57):

Let's open up, let's go to school, and that'll be

another way.

Speaker 3 (46:00):

I know.

Speaker 1 (46:01):

I'm seeing a show though it's yes, I think this

is good.

Speaker 2 (46:05):

I think so too. Two actresses who become therapists and.

Speaker 1 (46:08):

We live together. We have to live together together, and

we're besses because we sometimes have You noticed that sometimes therapists,

not every therapist, because my best friend is a therapist,

was a therapist and she's like the best person I know.

But a lot of times therapists don't have their shit

together in their real lives.

Speaker 2 (46:29):

No, and sort of the cliche also is like I

just remember there was some kids, not all, but there

were some kids that I grew up with whose parents

were therapists, and I was like, oh, boy, love going

on in your house? Can you imagine they might not

be able to see you any longer? So I think, Look,

I think I learned drawn to certain things for certain reasons.

(46:50):

I think maybe dysfunctional people are drawn to psychological work.

They want to understand why they are the way they

are and by the way, I put myself in that

category on me too, taking myself out of it at all.

So yeah, I think that's fair. And by the way,

whoever said I wasn't kind of a mess, I don't.

I literally have no idea what I'm doing on any

given day. I am winging it constantly.

Speaker 1 (47:09):

Absolutely, you've never done this before. No, I really haven't

ever been in this moment right now before. And people

forget that, like when you fuck up as a mom

or like you make a mistake with a friend or

at work and you are so hard on yourself about

it and why did I do that? And you know,

you beat yourself up about it, and I have to

(47:30):

remind myself in those moments, like, hello, you've never done

this before. Of course you're not going to do everything

right all the time.

Speaker 2 (47:37):

And the thing that also kind of blows my mind though,

I was literally talking to someone this morning about this

where you know, I am still learning big lessons where

I'm like, oh wow, that was a learning experience. It

was deeply painful, but it was I in my kitchen.

There's that is a learning experience, and I'm like, oh wow, okay,

so at this age, I'm still having learned experience.

Speaker 1 (48:00):

Oh my god. Sometimes with my husband and I talk

about this, We're like, I'm so tired of evolving, Like

please make it.

Speaker 2 (48:06):

Stup literally like I get it, Like I've learned. I

don't want to learn any more lessons. I'm allfull on lessons.

Thank you so much. But that's not what life is.

It really isn't and it's just waiting for you to

fuck up again.

Speaker 1 (48:23):

I mean, we have had we've had such a good

time together, but I feel like there were destined to

work together again and I really love look forward to that.

Speaker 2 (48:32):

Let's do it.

Speaker 1 (48:33):

I love talking to you, I love hanging out with

you all hours of the day and night on set.

I just love you.

Speaker 2 (48:40):

Well, before we go, I just want to say, first

of all, thank you for having me on. I also

talked so much, and it's not fair because I know

you so and I'm just so excited to like talk

to you. And now other people are going to have

to listen in on that.

Speaker 1 (48:55):

No, they want to hear everything you have to say.

Speaker 3 (48:58):

They love it.

Speaker 2 (48:58):

And also I remember something This is so like unimportant

and stupid, but you taught me like a food thing

that I never ever forgot where we were sitting. They

had like on set it was like a cobbler and

like we got a cobbler and there was ice cream

and you salted it and I was like, oh, I

was like, what are you talking. I was like, why

are you salting that? And you were like no, no,

the salt brings out and I was like okay, and

(49:21):

I salted it and I was like, this is the

greatest thing that's ever happened. And I feel like salted

caramel became a huge bad after that, and I was like, one,

miss Jenny Barth assaulting your sweet things many years.

Speaker 1 (49:37):

I'm a trailblazer when it comes sick eating salt.

Speaker 2 (49:40):

You are a trailblazer. And on that ridiculous note that way.

Speaker 1 (49:45):

Oh that's so funny. I have one final question to

ask you, Leslie Grossman. What was your last I Choose

me moment? Oh, it can be big, it can be little.

You know, you're in the in the minefield of choosing

yourself for right now, which is an amazing place to be.

Speaker 2 (50:02):

I will tell you my last choose me moment that

I alluded to in a text with you that I

won't go into too many details. I had an interaction.

I don't want to be too obvious, but it was

like a collaboration, and I did not like the way

it was going down. And the old me, the younger me,

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would have stuck it out, made excuses, I would have apologized,

I would have myself, and instead, I very directly said,

this doesn't feel good and I'm going to remove myself

from this best of luck. And it felt great. It

felt so great. And the more that you make those choices,

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the better it is for you. That is you taking

care of yourself. And it's not easy and it doesn't

come naturally to me. And I don't want people to

think I'm a bitch or I'm grateful, whatever it is

that we worry people are going to think about us

to say, I don't like this and I'm removing myself.

And I did that just a couple of days ago.

So that was my last choose me a moment. Without

going into the specifics of it, I protected myself.

Speaker 1 (51:09):

I love it, Jenny, and I choose you.

Speaker 2 (51:13):

I choose you, Jenny. Will you give all your girls

kisses for me?

Speaker 1 (51:19):

And Goldie too. I want to hold her like a baby,

but I can't because she's large. Now it's tall.

Speaker 2 (51:25):

How she's like five nine, I don't care for it.

Speaker 1 (51:27):

Uh yeah, how tall are you?

Speaker 2 (51:29):

I'm six.

Speaker 1 (51:30):

It's weird when they're taller than us.

Speaker 2 (51:32):

What is happening? And by the way, I'll just say this,

they're taller now, kids are taller. Now, they grow them taller.

Speaker 1 (51:38):

Now, they grow more. Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (51:40):

All her friends from over And I'm like, it's like

Amazon's or And.

Speaker 1 (51:42):

I cannot tell I cannot wait to tell Fiona that

I talked to Goldie's mom today. She's going to be

so happy not to.

Speaker 2 (51:48):

Give her a squeeze from me. And your girls are

just like, oh my god, Like you're just you know,

you've always been the most wonderful mother and so totally

committed to them, and now look how wonderful they are.

Speaker 1 (51:59):

So mazzle, mizzled to you love seeing I love you,

bye bye, thank you.

Speaker 2 (52:07):

Hi. Oh.

Speaker 1 (52:11):

I just love Leslie Grossman. You guys. It was so

nice to chat with her and just you know, walk

down memory road with her and some of the fun

memories that we had working together on What I like

about you, What a great time we had. And I'm

just I'm so I'm so happy for her and proud

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of her all the incredible roles that she has played,

but especially right now, I mean, she's just killing it

and I couldn't be happier for anybody. As we continue

to choose ourselves each week, I want to challenge you

this week to something. When was the last time you

told someone in your life that you love them? Talking

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with Leslie today, we were both reflecting on what it's

like to lose a parent, and I know for a

lot of us, if given the opportunity to see that

parent again, we would want to make sure that we

told them we love them. So this week, I encourage

you to send a text or tell someone just call them.

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Maybe next time you talk to them, tell them that

you love them. Life can change in the blink of

an eye, so let's all choose to really prioritize and

remind ourselves how lucky we are to have people in

our lives. Thanks for listening to I Choose Me. You

can check out all our social links in our show notes.

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You can rate us, you can review us, and be

sure to use the hashtag I Choose Me so I

can find you. I'll be right here next week. I

hope you choose to be here too.